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this is James Randi and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone welcome to the

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skeptic zone the podcast from Australia

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for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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podcast episode number 428 for the first

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of January 2017 which means the skeptics

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on podcast has been produced in 10

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different years the show's not 10 years

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old yet but it's been produced in

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broadcast in 2008 2009 2010 11 12 13 14

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15 16 and now 17 in 10 different years

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I'm not sure do I get a cake or

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something for that I really don't know

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maybe you can decide after listening to

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this episode of the skeptic zone happy

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new year by the way we're going to kick

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off with an interview the last in the

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series of interviews from New Zealand

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the recent New Zealand skeptics

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conference and ichat to the chair of the

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New Zealand skeptics mark Honeychurch

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who's going to let us know what what is

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happening with the New Zealand's

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skeptics what's been happening what's

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going to be happening into the future

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what a fine bunch they are where to find

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out fit the new zealand skeptics are i

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had such a wonderful time at their

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conference maybe one now be lucky to

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visit their again what's happening with

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the New Zealand skeptics find out at the

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top of the show following that it's more

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brouhaha science from Australia science

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TV with Ben Lewis then it's the return

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of the cache files with dr. Cassandra

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Perryman this week dr. Perryman is going

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to be looking at some of the myths and

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misconceptions regarding cannabis yeah

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cannabis it's legal in many parts of the

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world now in the u.s. it's a bit of a an

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odd situation where it's completely

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legal some workplaces and not other

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interesting topic to be sure covered in

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the cast files this week and following

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that we look at the story published at

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the Australian skeptics website at

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skeptics com a you about the decision of

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the Australian vaccination skeptics

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network to drop their legal challenge

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against no jab nope

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legislation will the supporters get

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their money back we don't think so find

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out more later on in the show and then

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to round off the show it's the final in

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the long-running series of interviews

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from the recent QED in Manchester with

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Iran so given a grain of salt and this

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week around chats to noah and eli from

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the scathing atheists podcast now why do

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atheists find out later on with a grain

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of salt a big thank you to the Bay Area

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skeptic send to my good friend Brian

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moment in Southern California but those

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irvine and I was so touched how well

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they were attended lots of people turned

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irvine one the room was overflowing

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which was fantastic and people seem to

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enjoy my talk about strange energies and

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strange ridiculous in some cases devices

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locations around the world will see what

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2017 brings but a big thank you to those

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people who who came along to hear me

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speak and to my friends Brian downing

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and Eugenie Scott for helping to arrange

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temporary studio make sure the champagne

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is chilled because as I record this it's

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the evening of December 31 31st 2016 but

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including Sydney Australia it's 2017

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it's actually January that first so

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figure that one out while you're

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figuring that one out and I'm running

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outside to check the champagne I hope

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you enjoy the skeptics on

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mark Honeychurch good to be here in

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was able to do my talk before this

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little cold said in too much but I got

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that it's skating on thin ice but as

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entertainment purposes only the problem

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to turn to experts who are the experts

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the skeptics who can tell what a cold

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skeptics that was from 1986 and I think

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conferences and it's it's great to have

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what's kept ISM going here but it's also

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focus so some of its reactive so some of

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successful life which is kind of nice to

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scientifically based so how many

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media in New Zealand yeah pretty good

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TV show in California now I think so I'm

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radar so he is one of the ones on

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sensing murder so it was it was him and

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co-production I'm not sure it was one

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series on network seven then it moved to

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network 10 then disappeared off our

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don't know sensing murder as a show

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sniff out clues from cold cases more or

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without telling them advance where

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they're going and then the psychics put

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in a room with a photo and tries to

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figure out as much as they can then

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they're taken to the crime scene and

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what happened in this murder so you know

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had sooo Nicholson at our conference a

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that has hits because you know it's yeah

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are going to be some hits if there's

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that much footage and it seems like you

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murders in New Zealand so for a psychic

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memorize every one of them would not be

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hard and for your average location when

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you arrive there you already know what

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the murder case is going to be brilliant

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so I'm in this suburb of Auckland that

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means this must be Bob I remember 10

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facts about Bob's murder and it's easy

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then to regurgitate them and not to do

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it straight away obviously but to drag

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it out you know as if you're doing

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something more like a cold reading and

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make it look more organic and natural

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well not that the viewers or the network

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will care as long as there are viewers

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to watch the show yeah there are and

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that that's been really unfortunate I

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mean the show stopped quite a few years

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ago but we just found out recently that

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their fill

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a new season so next year there's going

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to be more sensing murder which is just

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really disappointing this it is

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disappointing I was pleased when it left

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our screens in Australia and we don't

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get the new zealand version unless it's

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on and some listeners might know unless

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it's repeated on some cable network

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which most Australians wouldn't see any

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way which is possible I guess we can see

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clips on youtube if we google says

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sensing murder yeah there are there are

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some episodes um I've tried to collect

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all of them just scouring the internet

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and I've managed most not all of them

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are publicly available but well that's

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very important because one day one of

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them can could come in very handy or

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useful when you can connect a few dots

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even if it takes years you know that's

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why I archive as much as i can because

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one day something might come in handy

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yeah absolutely you know just collecting

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this kind of stuff and good skeptical

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material just yeah I'm you know psychics

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they do get in the news and people do do

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watch this kind of stuff so yes if they

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say anything that later on we can catch

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them out with it's definitely good that

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that we can do that we actually had one

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it wasn't psychics but I think about a

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year ago we had a UFO video over in fact

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we might have talked about this last

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time where we have a local magazine

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called uncensored it's a big conspiracy

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magazine and they bought genuine UFO

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alien footage alien autopsy footage and

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they bought it and then someone very

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quickly realized that one of the

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journalists over here they realized that

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it just came from a movie that there was

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an alien autopsy in a movie and and it

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matched scene for scene it was it was

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brilliant so yeah it's nice when they

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get caught out like that and as you say

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sometimes it's a long game you store

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stuff away for years and maybe

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eventually it will become useful and

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what looking forward to a 20-17 which

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were the whole world hopes will be a

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better year than 36 what what's up

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you'll see what's in store for the

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skeptical movement in new zealand so

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we've got a few medical things coming up

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so the first thing is that the

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government here in new zealand is trying

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to move the decision for fluoridation of

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water at the moment local councils get

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to choose where they flew at eight local

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councils are not prepared and it's very

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easy to lobby them the auntie's are very

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good at that so they're moving it to the

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district health boards and health

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they health is their job they know what

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they're doing so the bills gone in we we

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met with MPs earlier this year or one MP

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earlier this year and had a chat with

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him and he he's now put in this bill

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that suggests that the decision is moved

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and that's going to be really good but

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the anti's have already jumped on it so

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they've tried to get the district health

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boards to to accept their members on the

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board so they're trying to kind of stack

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the deck so that if the decision is

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moved that they can then try and get rid

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of it so we've got to be wary there and

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as it goes through Parliament there'll

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be a time when we can put in submissions

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we can go and talk with MPs and explain

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our concerns about the anti's and how we

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think the fluoride is safe and effective

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so that's one and in a similar way we've

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got the natural health products bill

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which we're really looking forward to so

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that one is basically about all the

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natural health products that just aren't

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already regulated and it it's it's a lot

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of what are your ingredients what are

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the claims you're making what evidence

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have you got for those claims big

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database where they store all this kind

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of stuff so it's some kind of

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accountability it's not perfect but the

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fact that so many of the natural health

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product companies are unhappy with it

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means that it's probably pretty good all

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right so that that's good to know

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there's always something for a skeptics

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to do that's for sure absolutely you

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know it's always busy for us there's

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always more than we can handle in the

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last few months I've also digitized the

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whole back catalogue of our journal by

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scanning it in page by page tell me

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about it that's what i did in the

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australian skeptics magazine Wow in two

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thousand and two thousand and one or two

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or one or something like that I I

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digitize the entire back catalogue but

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not by scanning in the pages by

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recreating them in a page layout program

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Wow okay that is dedication beyond the

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patients that I have I I bow to your um

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your ability to do that anyway my great

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to see you again or see you we have

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chatted before but I don't know that

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we've ever met in person now I saw you

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on skype video and I think you were

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wearing a vest and very very hot i think

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it was pretty hot where you were at the

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time in sydney yeah normally if i'm

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doing an interview and in summertime in

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sydney i have to shut my window in my

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studio and turn off the air conditioner

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so by the end of the end

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you have the sweats pouring down but

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anyway great to be here and thank you so

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much for having me as part of the

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convention I really appreciate it and

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what can local people in New Zealand do

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how can they contact you how can they be

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part so on our website skeptics dot NZ

422
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you'll find information about some of

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the stuff that we're up to you'll also

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find listing of skeptics in the pub

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events and that's definitely the best

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place to to first get in touch with

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skeptics in this country so most big

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cities will have a skeptics in the pub

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so pop along say hello to people

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everybody's friendly and just go from

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there they'll let you know about the

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conference's that are on and all that

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kind of stuff well mark thank you very

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much thanks a lot good to see and now

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direct from the cafe at Australia's

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science channel it's brouhaha with Ben

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Lewis this time last year did you have

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any idea how crazy 2016 was going to be

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simple times but it wasn't just world

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events that kept us on our toes science

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had a few curveballs to throw our way as

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well so here are our top three science

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surprises of 2016 on October 14 60,000

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tesla car owners in the US woke up

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suddenly the proud owners of a

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driverless car at least when they hit

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the highway as Tesla had updated the

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software in their existing vehicles it

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was a bold step forward in a culture

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where the legal issues lag behind the

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engineering quick quiz what do these

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have in common fireworks the samsung

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galaxy note 7 and you're mine when

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contemplating the universe yep they all

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explode but only one was an unwelcome

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surprise that had us talking about what

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happened and how to recycle all those

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unwanted phone

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and lastly augmented reality took a huge

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and surprising step into the mainstream

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this year when Pokemon go was released

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and suddenly our streets were overrun

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with trainers collecting Pokemon and

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going to gyms to battle yeah I still

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don't get it but it certainly took the

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whole world by storm those are the

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biggest things we didn't see coming top

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that 2017 Australian Internet service

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providers have been given the hard word

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by the government block people from

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accessing or downloading content from

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torrent sites this news might have you

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thinking one of two things good piracy

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is theft or damn we're ever going to get

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game with Thrones for free now but maybe

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just maybe laws like this that stop

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people from easily accessing certain

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websites have an unexpected bonus maybe

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whenever a law like this is passed

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people react by finding a workaround and

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maybe that means developing their STEM

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skills maybe they'll learn a new way to

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use technology all learn how to code or

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even just learn more about online

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privacy insecurities sure they might be

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learning these skills for the wrong

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reasons but there could be a paradox

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here by restricting internet use

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people's technological interest and

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abilities might grow and the people

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building these skills today might just

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become tomorrow's ethical hackers or

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cyber security experts maybe

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Perryman hello skeptic zone this time on

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the cast files I'm going to discuss

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cannabis well the time finally came for

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Australia to legalize medical cannabis

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or marijuana is most call it the process

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is currently underway for a system of

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sale to be put in place when looking at

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the u.s. using cannabis is now fully

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legal in eight states and only

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completely illegal in five states the

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remaining 37 either have a medical

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cannabis law or decriminalizing of

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cannabis no matter what your personal or

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political perspective the future of

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cannabis is well very green so what

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exactly is cannabis next time some anti

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chemical woo monger tells you they like

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everything chemical free while lighting

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up a joint or reeking of weed tell them

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that cannabis is one of the most

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chemically complex plants known to man

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so complex it's made up of at least 47

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different chemical compounds I'm Savin

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up to about 62 and so yeah that's a lot

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of chemicals everywhere the two main

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compounds of course are THC the one that

542
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:15,639
gets you high and CBD the one that numbs

543
00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:17,529
you or has those kind of pain relieving

544
00:22:22,529 --> 00:22:20,289
qualities but you know with San

545
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,539
Francisco hazing up as I speak let's

546
00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:25,360
debunk some of the basic myths that even

547
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:28,840
skeptics hold first off I get told all

548
00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:30,460
the time there's totally a lack of

549
00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:33,340
cannabis research I've heard this myth

550
00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:35,860
from anti Big Pharma types and skeptics

551
00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:39,100
alike yes partially valid in the US

552
00:22:43,769 --> 00:22:41,860
cannabis has been a federal schedule 1

553
00:22:46,409 --> 00:22:43,779
substance for a long time and that did

554
00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:46,419
stifle a lot of potential research but

555
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,820
that's not the case anymore in the past

556
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:49,360
10

557
00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:52,150
years alone a few thousand studies have

558
00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:54,280
been conducted some of them even full

559
00:22:59,789 --> 00:22:56,049
randomly controlled trials looking at

560
00:23:02,580 --> 00:22:59,799
the medicinal qualities of cannabis go

561
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,590
look a couple up there fantastic that

562
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:04,240
leads me to the second myth I hear all

563
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,010
the time that cannabis has medicinal

564
00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:08,799
properties a lot of places have it legal

565
00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:12,220
as a medicinal plant so does that hold

566
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,630
water sometimes but not on many of the

567
00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:18,880
major things that get assumed there is a

568
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:21,100
fantastic meta-analysis published in

569
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,870
2015 in the Journal of the American

570
00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:25,360
Medical Association and it showed that

571
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:27,220
cannabinoids are pretty okay for

572
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:29,230
treating chronic pain but the evidence

573
00:23:32,970 --> 00:23:31,090
just isn't there regarding sleep

574
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:32,980
disorders Tourette's or reducing the

575
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:35,710
side effects of chemotherapy additional

576
00:23:40,049 --> 00:23:37,150
research has weighed in and said that

577
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:40,059
cannabinoids may help may with multiple

578
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:42,610
sclerosis and potentially stimulate

579
00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:44,230
appetite for individuals who are having

580
00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:47,350
weight issues one particular study look

581
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,540
to see if individuals with HIV could

582
00:23:54,030 --> 00:23:51,520
have their appetite stimulated and the

583
00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:54,040
findings were pretty lackluster there's

584
00:23:57,630 --> 00:23:55,900
also little to no support that cannabis

585
00:24:00,720 --> 00:23:57,640
helps with anxiety partially because

586
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:00,730
well some people become anxious due to

587
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:03,910
the THC cancer thus far still a no-go

588
00:24:09,299 --> 00:24:07,450
and seizure disorders as well granted

589
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:09,309
there's a sliver of hope that once we

590
00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:11,260
further isolate the individual compounds

591
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:13,750
we might be able to treat some specific

592
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:16,600
types of seizures or potentially stunt

593
00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:20,049
some specific types of cancers the

594
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:22,059
second myth that I left to hear is that

595
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:24,340
well you have to either smoke it or vape

596
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:26,590
it or eat or whatever their favorite

597
00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:29,049
method of ingestion is to get either a

598
00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:31,390
better or a cleaner or pure or nicer

599
00:24:35,970 --> 00:24:33,870
tasting high and that's just not true

600
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,980
quite a few studies at this point of

601
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:37,600
shown that the method of ingestion does

602
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:39,250
not matter when it comes to the effects

603
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:42,970
what does matter is the balance of the

604
00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:45,910
compounds and the method of heating you

605
00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:47,980
see the psychoactive compounds in

606
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:49,900
cannabis are only released after the

607
00:24:57,390 --> 00:24:54,370
plant reaches a certain temperature so a

608
00:25:00,000 --> 00:24:57,400
properly prepared brownie with fourteen

609
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:00,010
percent THC is going to generate the

610
00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:02,690
same high if smoking a joint with four

611
00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:05,990
ten percent THC what will change though

612
00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:09,020
is the time between consuming or

613
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:11,630
inhaling and two when the psychoactive

614
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:15,230
effects are actually felt I hear a lot

615
00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:17,690
to that cannabis is better than alcohol

616
00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:20,180
or cigarettes therefore should be legal

617
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,860
I mean seriously you get told that you

618
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:27,440
can't get cancer and I get told that you

619
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:29,330
won't get addicted and I get told that

620
00:25:33,220 --> 00:25:31,040
it's safer and I get told a lot of

621
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,230
things and it's it's horrible first we

622
00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:34,880
can't really lump all those substances

623
00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:37,940
together yes cannabis is safer to the

624
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:40,100
individual than both alcohol and

625
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,290
cigarettes but we can't say it's safer

626
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:44,240
to society because the individual can

627
00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:46,580
still be impaired while driving can

628
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:48,200
still be engaging in potentially

629
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:50,840
dangerous behaviors some individuals do

630
00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:53,210
experience anger and anxiety after

631
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:55,430
consuming cannabis and so you kind of

632
00:25:59,530 --> 00:25:57,050
get the picture they're really not

633
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,540
equivalent the point is though that if

634
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:01,520
you're still smoking cannabis you are

635
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:03,980
still bringing a toxic burning substance

636
00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:08,270
into your lungs and that's bad your risk

637
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:10,220
of cancer is not nearly as high as with

638
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:13,490
tobacco but the risk is still there also

639
00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:16,430
cannabis is absolutely addictive by

640
00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:18,500
addictive too I mean alcohol and tobacco

641
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,380
level of addictive you won't get hooked

642
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:23,600
on alcohol if you drink on occasion and

643
00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:24,770
you control your amount and you

644
00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:26,390
certainly don't get hooked after the

645
00:26:30,370 --> 00:26:28,790
first drink it's the same with smoking

646
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:30,380
cigarettes you have to get in a routine

647
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:32,600
and drink or smoke to at least a

648
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:34,940
moderate level that's how it also works

649
00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:38,170
with cannabis research has shown that

650
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:41,180
consistent high to moderate to heavy use

651
00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:43,490
has about a twenty-five percent chance

652
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:45,560
of leading to addiction it makes sense

653
00:26:49,930 --> 00:26:47,930
cannabis still works on the reward

654
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:49,940
pathway in the brain that dopaminergic

655
00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:52,850
pathway and so it still stimulates the

656
00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:55,180
brain Center that deals with addiction

657
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:57,500
what's interesting though about cannabis

658
00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:58,610
addiction is that there isn't really

659
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:00,530
withdrawal period instead it's just a

660
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:02,810
cycle of intense craving it's not

661
00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:04,730
pleasant and it is very hard to treat

662
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:07,550
it's even harder though for people to go

663
00:27:11,290 --> 00:27:09,260
get treatment because of how pervasive

664
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:11,300
that myth of cannabis not being

665
00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:13,700
addictive is you can't be addicted to

666
00:27:16,419 --> 00:27:15,560
something that's not addictive right so

667
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:16,429
you shouldn't have to go

668
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:18,169
get treatment for something that is

669
00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:19,820
addictive because you can't get addicted

670
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:23,419
right it's very dangerous the other side

671
00:27:27,159 --> 00:27:24,830
of the addiction argument I hear is the

672
00:27:29,289 --> 00:27:27,169
well is just as addictive and Alcohol

673
00:27:32,739 --> 00:27:29,299
Tobacco and they're illegal so cannabis

674
00:27:34,659 --> 00:27:32,749
should be legal to will realize my dear

675
00:27:37,779 --> 00:27:34,669
fellow skeptics that if you use that

676
00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:37,789
argument cocaine should also be fully

677
00:27:43,539 --> 00:27:40,070
legal is it's actually less addictive

678
00:27:45,399 --> 00:27:43,549
than cannabis tobacco and alcohol I'm

679
00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:45,409
not saying I disagree that cannabis

680
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:46,879
should be legal I'm just saying don't

681
00:27:50,859 --> 00:27:48,470
use the slippery slope addiction

682
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:50,869
argument to explain why cannabis should

683
00:27:56,139 --> 00:27:53,690
be legal no matter what your political

684
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:56,149
beliefs or no matter what your purpose

685
00:28:01,169 --> 00:27:58,970
for cannabis the world is changing and

686
00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:01,179
our view of cannabis is changing with it

687
00:28:06,999 --> 00:28:03,559
like with everything though always

688
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:07,009
remember to be responsible make educated

689
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:28,970
from the dawn of time one blood cast has

690
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,140
unlocked the secrets of science and

691
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,600
technology to enrich the lives of

692
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:36,120
billions and now after a year where

693
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:37,920
they've unlocked the Golden Age of

694
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:40,110
knowledge they're about to hit warp

695
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:44,220
speed and go stratospheric hold up on Oh

696
00:28:48,170 --> 00:28:45,690
No Ross and Carrie we don't make

697
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,180
extraordinary claims we investigate them

698
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:50,340
we go undercover with fringe religious

699
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,710
groups investigate paranormal claims and

700
00:28:56,540 --> 00:28:54,480
we participate in pseudo scientific

701
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:56,550
medical treatments and then report our

702
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:58,650
findings to you and yes we've even

703
00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:02,220
investigated Scientology watch new

704
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:05,280
episodes every month at maximum fun org

705
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:08,490
Oh No Ross and Carrie they show up so

706
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:29,010
you

707
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:31,370
from the website of Australian skeptics

708
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:35,680
skeptics com au published on the 28

709
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,250
through December 2016 by Tim mendham new

710
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:41,640
south wales government to investigate

711
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:44,610
Australian vaccination skeptics Network

712
00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:47,410
fundraising the Australian newspaper

713
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:49,780
reports that the New South Wales fair

714
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:52,090
trading authorities will investigate the

715
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:54,870
Australian vaccination skeptics Network

716
00:30:01,050 --> 00:29:58,240
avsm for quote potential breaches of the

717
00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:01,060
charitable fundraising act and the

718
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:03,460
association's incorporation act in quote

719
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:05,740
on Christmas Day the anti-vaccination

720
00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:07,780
group announced that it had called off

721
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:10,780
its high court attempt to overturn the

722
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:13,480
federal government's so-called no jab

723
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:18,010
nope a policy this means it would shelve

724
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:21,130
the lawsuit after being advised by legal

725
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,470
counsel that there was a quote poor

726
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:26,080
chance of success in quote and despite

727
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:30,010
raising 152 thousand dollars from

728
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:32,520
supporters to pay costs New South Wales

729
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:35,350
Minister Victor Dominello said the

730
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:37,210
government took the potential breaches

731
00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:39,310
quote a very seriously in quote

732
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:42,280
according to the Australian quote New

733
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,170
South Wales Fair Trading will review

734
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:47,200
this matter to assess whether there has

735
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:49,270
been any breaches of the relevant

736
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:51,700
legislation and regulations and quota in

737
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:54,460
an official statement titled quote we

738
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:56,890
are sorry to be the bearer of bad news

739
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:01,450
in quote the Avs n which still refers to

740
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:03,540
itself under the misleading acronym

741
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:07,360
avian said it had received legal notice

742
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:09,940
that quote we had potential grounds to

743
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:12,310
mount a challenge to the constitutional

744
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:16,090
validity of no jab no pay on the basis

745
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:18,730
of this advice we retained a legal firm

746
00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:20,470
and invited our members and supporters

747
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:23,800
to sponsor the legal challenge our legal

748
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:25,660
firm then retain the services of a

749
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:27,730
leading senior counsel and barrister in

750
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:30,130
the field of constitutional law and

751
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:32,890
human rights and quota it had put out a

752
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:36,790
call to supporters to raise $500,000 the

753
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:38,590
amount it was thought it would be

754
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,510
required to commit a legal action

755
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:43,020
however it only raised one

756
00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:46,650
52,000 despite continued old appeals

757
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:48,820
subsequently council had apparently

758
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:50,919
advised the organization not to proceed

759
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:54,100
quote due to the poor chance of success

760
00:32:00,270 --> 00:31:56,289
and the high costs of I high court

761
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:00,280
challenge in quote quote as you may be

762
00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:02,830
aware in quote the statement continues

763
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,140
quote the Australian Constitution does

764
00:32:09,149 --> 00:32:07,120
not guarantee most of the rights and

765
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:09,159
freedoms enjoyed by other Western

766
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,130
democracies our Constitution relies on

767
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:14,080
the principle of representative

768
00:32:19,289 --> 00:32:16,809
democracy which unfortunately does not

769
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:19,299
serve well the interests of unpopular

770
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:22,330
minorities we were absolutely devastated

771
00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:24,100
when we received this advice as we

772
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:26,470
wanted so much to believe that justice

773
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:30,460
still exists in Australia in quote the

774
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,860
total cost of advice according to email

775
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:35,679
sent to members was seventy two thousand

776
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:37,450
five hundred and twenty-six dollars and

777
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:40,570
thirty-seven cents the question now is

778
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:43,059
what it intends to do with the amount of

779
00:32:48,779 --> 00:32:46,450
money it says it hasn't yet spent there

780
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:48,789
is no guarantee that it will be returned

781
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:51,340
to supporters that being only one option

782
00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:54,010
that suggests others include quote

783
00:32:59,220 --> 00:32:56,020
investigating a range of alternative

784
00:33:01,080 --> 00:32:59,230
legal avenues by which to introduce

785
00:33:02,669 --> 00:33:01,090
much-needed transparency and

786
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:02,679
accountability into Australia's

787
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:05,260
vaccination program in quote including a

788
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:07,240
possible royal commission to the

789
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,460
Therapeutic Goods Administration the

790
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:11,460
Australian technical advisory group on

791
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:16,090
immunization a tea AGI and the

792
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:17,950
pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory

793
00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:21,880
Committee it also suggests a plan quote

794
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:23,860
to start the process are finally

795
00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:26,289
bringing together the people who could

796
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,539
help start a retrospective fully

797
00:33:34,529 --> 00:33:31,320
vaccinated versus fully unvaccinated

798
00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:34,539
children's long-term health outcome

799
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:37,240
study end quote funding for a public

800
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:40,630
education program and bringing quote top

801
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:42,730
international experts to speak in

802
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:45,130
Australia in quote or purchasing

803
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:48,130
advertising around Australia quote we

804
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:50,350
also want to hear from you and welcome

805
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,090
any other suggestions from our members

806
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:54,880
or sponsors as to how the legal funds

807
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:56,210
could be best utilized

808
00:34:01,810 --> 00:33:58,730
please don't hesitate to contact us and

809
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:01,820
share your ideas and quote supporters

810
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:03,710
may have to wait a long time to see

811
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:07,660
their unused dollars returned if ever

812
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:10,490
the Australian reports that abandonment

813
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,740
of the legal pursuit and the

814
00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:14,600
unlikelihood of the remaining money

815
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:16,780
being refunded has divided the

816
00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:19,790
anti-vaccination community quote they

817
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:22,100
don't even feel you need to deserve to

818
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:25,490
know who their lawyer was charging them

819
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:27,710
half the money they raised they were

820
00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:30,770
using a pro bono lawyer they didn't have

821
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:32,870
any expertise and quote one

822
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:35,570
anti-vaccination campaigner wrote in one

823
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:37,670
of the several active online

824
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,280
anti-vaccination groups the paper said

825
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:43,280
quote knew this was a scam from the very

826
00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:45,710
beginning in quote another wrote in the

827
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,500
same group the Australian says the

828
00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:51,200
Australian vaccination network declined

829
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:53,480
to clarify the amount of money raised or

830
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:55,940
provide details about how the donations

831
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:58,550
were used instead accusing the newspaper

832
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:01,430
of quote actively participating in the

833
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:03,470
drive to take away our children's right

834
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:06,620
to have an education or for our families

835
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:09,070
dot dot to access and gainful employment

836
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:12,200
pin quote and that was new south wales

837
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:14,420
government to investigate australian

838
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:17,000
vaccination skeptics network fundraising

839
00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:18,980
written by tim minden published on the

840
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:22,840
28 of december 2016 available at ww

841
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skeptics com au

842
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:49,010
hello Richard and all the listeners of

843
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:51,990
skeptic zone my name is Ron levy and I'm

844
00:35:57,350 --> 00:35:54,900
the producer and co-host of curious mind

845
00:36:03,710 --> 00:35:57,360
it's about fast about science technology

846
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,720
and history at wwc em-pod cmp OD dot net

847
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:05,940
each episode will bring you interesting

848
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:08,190
stories from a wide range of subjects

849
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:11,250
from physics astronomy and medicine from

850
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,710
arts to science fiction we strive for

851
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:15,540
the highest production values both in

852
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,910
content and in delivery we already have

853
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,640
on the air episodes about German u-boats

854
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:23,160
in Second World War about the history of

855
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:26,220
x-rays and the war of currents between

856
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:30,320
Tesla and Edison come and have a listen

857
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:47,799
[Music]

858
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:50,380
it'll take this with a grain of salt

859
00:37:01,099 --> 00:36:58,770
he's around ticket hello i'm here with

860
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:01,109
Noah Heath and eli on the scathing

861
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,339
atheist podcast hello howdy we're on the

862
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Sunday night faq d is there's a little

863
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:11,010
bit of a little bit of I was abroad it's

864
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:13,710
less maybe if you could tell us a little

865
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,579
bit about the provenance of my keys um

866
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:20,160
but no you know the whole concept of the

867
00:37:23,779 --> 00:37:21,750
scathing atheist originally was to

868
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:23,789
either or a lot of shows out there that

869
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:26,250
spent a lot of time debunking Christian

870
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,010
apologetics and and and trying to appeal

871
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,720
to the nominally Christian person and

872
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:32,490
teach them that atheists aren't horrible

873
00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:34,529
people and we thought let's balance that

874
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:36,390
out by showing them how horrible we

875
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:39,180
really are and kind of take it from the

876
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,339
other angle so you know basically the

877
00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:43,619
idea was not so much to do tabish oh

878
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:46,200
that promoted atheism so much is a show

879
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:48,450
that entertained atheists you know show

880
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:51,510
by atheists for atheists the the

881
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,359
religious folks aren't invited they can

882
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:55,740
listen if they want to but you know

883
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,510
caveat emptor and all of that that's

884
00:38:01,630 --> 00:37:59,339
that's not the intended audience of the

885
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:01,640
show how long ago to be the thumb

886
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:03,900
husband over three of three half years

887
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:06,510
its start in January 2013 39 years plus

888
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:10,430
and well II like join fairly recently

889
00:38:16,789 --> 00:38:14,460
was a 187 although plenty of times

890
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,799
before that in not quite as regular

891
00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:19,380
capacity but yeah so knowing if you

892
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:22,349
these are not your real legs so can you

893
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,529
just tell me about wine as Australians

894
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:27,720
you know that would not understand why

895
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,510
that would be necessary but you refer to

896
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:32,220
it in on the show but I'm assuming that

897
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:33,630
some of the people listening this one oh

898
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:35,849
yeah the United States just perhaps even

899
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:39,210
more crazy about that we also know and I

900
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:42,750
both work for a company in a field in

901
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:44,190
which it was necessary to not be

902
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:46,529
politically incorrect in a certain way

903
00:38:50,809 --> 00:38:48,750
working with kids going schools doing

904
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:50,819
programs like that so that was part of

905
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:51,710
the part of

906
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,940
pseudonym idea okay and you still feel

907
00:39:03,050 --> 00:38:59,400
that needle is landscape changed or is

908
00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:03,060
it still but is it just momentum or is

909
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:05,190
it something a lot of ways you can't it

910
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:06,900
once people know you by a certain name

911
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:08,190
it's pretty hard to switch to a

912
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:10,710
different one now I have given my name

913
00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:13,530
out on the show it was in the wake of

914
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:18,150
the one of the many killings of atheist

915
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,910
bloggers in Bangladesh and I started to

916
00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:22,260
feel like you know these people are

917
00:39:26,359 --> 00:39:24,750
putting their names to their work at the

918
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:26,369
risk of their lives it's pretty cowardly

919
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:29,100
of me to sit back behind a pseudonym so

920
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:31,290
I I eventually did reveal my name my

921
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:33,420
real name on the show but again you know

922
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,850
after a hundred by in 10 episodes as no

923
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,320
illusions you just kind of got to stick

924
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:40,560
with the momentum there but um you know

925
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,630
I think obviously if I was starting a

926
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:44,520
show now I probably would be using my

927
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,440
real name if for no other reason then

928
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:48,660
obviously no illusions is a bit of a

929
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:50,010
pond if you think about it for a second

930
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,400
so is he thin right so now it was a

931
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:55,320
comedy show for very long time and then

932
00:40:00,580 --> 00:39:57,270
you added you like to add some some

933
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:00,590
gravity yes yes you are you're getting

934
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,350
journalism I want to just quickly you've

935
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:06,480
recently done something a bit special

936
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:08,940
but this is a very good show first of

937
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:10,230
all you can have more than one podcast

938
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:13,650
that we do we do three we also do a

939
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:16,830
podcast called god awful movies atheists

940
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:20,310
reviews of christian cinema because in a

941
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:23,190
way well ya know they patiently some

942
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:25,550
really terrible awful baby-killing

943
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:27,690
pseudoscience me that one really hurt

944
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:29,700
that was a tough one to watch and then

945
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:31,410
we also have a political show called the

946
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:35,310
skeptic rat uh and it's honestly it's

947
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,750
been on hiatus for a while because

948
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:38,640
american politics have been so self

949
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,980
spoofing that we really didn't feel the

950
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:43,200
need to add anything to how would

951
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:45,510
ridiculous the political sorry homes

952
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:47,910
back in yeah right right he's half with

953
00:40:51,319 --> 00:40:48,539
an yeah

954
00:40:54,049 --> 00:40:51,329
I sometimes we read The Guardian and it

955
00:40:55,729 --> 00:40:54,059
feels like parody ready on the line

956
00:40:58,939 --> 00:40:55,739
between the onion of the Guardian is

957
00:41:02,719 --> 00:40:58,949
very much very much very much i can poke

958
00:41:06,409 --> 00:41:02,729
yeah exactly when mike pence seems like

959
00:41:10,819 --> 00:41:06,419
a reasonable alternative to the [\h__\h]

960
00:41:14,269 --> 00:41:10,829
grab exactly and uh so um but you

961
00:41:16,509 --> 00:41:14,279
recently did vulgarity for charity can

962
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:16,519
you tell us about that so what was the

963
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:19,619
charity in what was the oh so we did we

964
00:41:23,449 --> 00:41:21,569
teamed up with the guys over a cup Tom

965
00:41:25,789 --> 00:41:23,459
Cecil for over a cognitive dissonance

966
00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:25,799
for our at this point we've done it

967
00:41:31,759 --> 00:41:29,039
twice for a second by hand roll

968
00:41:33,439 --> 00:41:31,769
fundraiser called vulgarity for charity

969
00:41:37,219 --> 00:41:33,449
the charity were benefiting was modest

970
00:41:38,809 --> 00:41:37,229
needs which is like GoFundMe serve

971
00:41:40,429 --> 00:41:38,819
that's the people we reach twenty five

972
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,439
thousand dollars for families that

973
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,839
needed help and we were really really

974
00:41:47,269 --> 00:41:45,119
happy with by doing a roast for charity

975
00:41:48,919 --> 00:41:47,279
so basically people donated money in

976
00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:48,929
order to get roasted by us and the COG

977
00:41:51,979 --> 00:41:50,549
disguise and some of those who have show

978
00:41:53,689 --> 00:41:51,989
get other people wrote right or damn

979
00:41:55,309 --> 00:41:53,699
other people roast them and we had some

980
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,319
amazing special guests coming in as well

981
00:41:58,729 --> 00:41:56,880
and we couldn't have been happier with

982
00:42:01,009 --> 00:41:58,739
the result again we're always blown away

983
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,019
by what our listeners give and how much

984
00:42:07,459 --> 00:42:03,839
they're able to come forward and answer

985
00:42:09,709 --> 00:42:07,469
them ok so the roast period is over 44

986
00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:09,719
no not actually we still have a hundred

987
00:42:13,759 --> 00:42:11,789
in so now what I mean is but you could

988
00:42:15,259 --> 00:42:13,769
deny my sugar if people still want to

989
00:42:18,289 --> 00:42:15,269
donate what could you worried whether

990
00:42:20,689 --> 00:42:18,299
the gum I just needs to work it's still

991
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,699
very much accepting donations it's an

992
00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:22,079
amazing charity which you should

993
00:42:26,659 --> 00:42:24,029
definitely check out it but but the

994
00:42:28,429 --> 00:42:26,669
roast part is over yeah oh so a donation

995
00:42:30,769 --> 00:42:28,439
got roast period I just I just want to

996
00:42:33,469 --> 00:42:30,779
point out that you will cover some

997
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:33,479
stories about book about a modest needs

998
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:36,209
in the future show is that correct yeah

999
00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:38,249
well people want to find out we're not

1000
00:42:41,179 --> 00:42:39,479
going to cover it here but if people

1001
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,189
want to hear more about about modest

1002
00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:42,839
meets then they can listen to your show

1003
00:42:47,779 --> 00:42:44,789
and they'll find out more in a future

1004
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,789
episode yeah absolutely or also in a

1005
00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:49,859
future episode of cognitive dissonance

1006
00:42:54,469 --> 00:42:52,499
Eli and I java taman cecil and

1007
00:42:56,659 --> 00:42:54,479
interviewed the founder of modest needs

1008
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:56,669
and i've got to say it was one of the

1009
00:43:00,300 --> 00:42:58,890
most inspiring and heart-wrenching

1010
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:00,310
interviews that I've ever

1011
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:03,430
better part of the gentleman we talked

1012
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,170
to was just one of those kind of people

1013
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:06,400
that just makes you walk away thinking

1014
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:07,930
yourself like now I need it donate a

1015
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:10,990
longer so I just I'm a bad person yeah

1016
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:13,830
so anybody who wants to hear more about

1017
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:17,110
motors needs will continue to 10 episode

1018
00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:20,710
yeah absolutely comment okay now

1019
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:23,830
hopefully and I hope to see you guys in

1020
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:25,780
Australia sometime you the not too

1021
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:29,500
distant future we have you know we've

1022
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,180
sent you know we sent Ray Comfort and

1023
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:34,720
Ken Ham to to America you're welcome

1024
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:36,790
good move wait wait wait but one of them

1025
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:38,590
Shaquille either way uh which one is

1026
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:47,910
also from Australia yes I'm sorry yeah

1027
00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:49,270
yeah we're not too happy on the other

1028
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:52,270
hand we have we got metal dory who's the

1029
00:44:04,410 --> 00:43:54,730
basically the head it's fun out there

1030
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:04,420
it's for our street that authority is

1031
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:05,860
the head of the Australian

1032
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:08,890
anti-vaccination movement oh and she's

1033
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:11,410
American well she won't watch Washington

1034
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,080
p.m. yeah well I'll tell you Australia

1035
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:15,520
is the top of my list of places I

1036
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:17,170
haven't better than I want to go so we

1037
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:20,770
were definitely loans ok so the box

1038
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:25,270
jellyfish and the laser sharks and in

1039
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:27,130
the end the the despot is the really

1040
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:30,100
really um you know the most dangerous

1041
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,530
spiders are lining up waiting for you so

1042
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:34,720
awesome oh so we have a lot of spider

1043
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:36,490
listeners and I'm glad we get to be in

1044
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:37,130
the show

1045
00:44:42,249 --> 00:44:40,250
we don't do it enough on our show but we

1046
00:44:46,329 --> 00:44:42,259
get a lot of tweets about flies and how

1047
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:46,339
to catch them in our spider listenership

1048
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:47,990
really came through for us babe it

1049
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:50,089
nature they're heavy active on the

1050
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:52,190
worldwide yeah this is what we've

1051
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:54,650
learned from this morning show Australia

1052
00:45:00,009 --> 00:44:57,670
okay weakening before this gets worse

1053
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:00,019
where do people find out more about you

1054
00:45:03,789 --> 00:45:01,369
guys are you can find us at the scathing

1055
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:03,799
atheists com or just a little skating

1056
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:05,569
atheist obvious to defy the sub they're

1057
00:45:21,380 --> 00:45:08,420
everywhere the podcasts live thank you

1058
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:26,460
hey Richard oh hi Trish well would you

1059
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:28,090
like a coffee yeah thanks what are you

1060
00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:29,950
working on I'm trying to come up with a

1061
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:32,020
new promo to play on the skeptic zone

1062
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:35,260
who's it for the good thinking society

1063
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:37,060
in the UK you know Michael Marshall

1064
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,610
Simon Singh Nora Thomas and background

1065
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:41,680
oh yeah I know them they've been doing

1066
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:43,240
some great work investigating veterinary

1067
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:46,360
homeopathy fit Andrey homeopathy what

1068
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:48,520
you sugarpill this for cows I know right

1069
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:50,500
and also they're looking at some of the

1070
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:52,150
dodgy medical advice given by UK

1071
00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:54,670
chiropractors really okay look I'll

1072
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:56,740
mention all that in the promo now their

1073
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:01,770
website is good thinking society dog and

1074
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:04,090
they've recently been reporting on the

1075
00:46:08,610 --> 00:46:05,830
resurgence of faith healer peter Popoff

1076
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:08,620
you know right okay look thanks to that

1077
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:09,880
it gives me something good to think

1078
00:46:26,609 --> 00:46:25,260
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1079
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:26,619
zone no matter what year you're

1080
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:29,830
listening to this show it might be 2016

1081
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:32,250
a few people might be just catching this

1082
00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:35,470
podcast at the very end of 2016 or most

1083
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:37,840
of you the beginning of 2017 or if

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you're listening in archive format who

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knows what you you might be listening in

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2024 all I know hello all those people

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listening in 2020 what are you doing

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listening to this show well I hope you

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enjoy it anyway I fly back to Sydney

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Australia in a couple of days I'm not

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sure what the next episode of the

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skeptic zone will bring I think I think

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we can give you news about a new

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reporter coming up that's exciting but

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we'll see what happens there but apart

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from that it's another year of

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investigations reports interviews trying

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to control Maynard which is difficult at

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the best of times and hopefully a lot

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thank you very much but for this week

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from Southern California this is Richard

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Saunders signing off you've been

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